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Friday, March 2, 2012

Why Bombing Iran Would Mean Invading Iran

By Robert Wright
Mar 1 2012, 10:32 AM ET 195
Mitt Romney is tired of hearing President Obama threaten Iran in only vague terms. Enough of this "all options are on the table" stuff. Obama, Romney says, should declare that "we are considering military options" and "they're not just on the table--they are in our hand." According to the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Romney will get some support next week when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu visits Washington: Netanyahu will ask Obama to say publicly that "the United States is preparing for a military operation in the event that Iran crosses certain 'red lines'."
Before signing on to this mission, could we get some clarity on what exactly this "military operation" will ultimately entail?

There are two main schools of thought about how air strikes on Iran would work out. Most Americans seem to envision something cleanly surgical--a few days of bombing runs and then we get that "mission accomplished" banner out of the closet. A smaller number of Americans--notably including a lot of national security experts--realize that Iran would probably retaliate, possibly in ways that drew America into a sustained and even far-flung conflict.
What too few people emphasize, it seems to me, is that these two scenarios don't exhaust the possibilities. Even if air strikes don't draw us into an instant conflagration, they could drag us into a long-term conflict with Iran that winds up with American boots on the ground. In fact, when you think about the military and political logic of the situation, the invasion and occupation of Iran is the most likely long-term outcome of bombing regardless of what happens in the short term.
Among national security experts there is nearly universal agreement on the following: Bombing could set Iran's nuclear program back by one or two years, maybe even several, but it would also (1) remove any doubt in the minds of Iranian leaders about whether to pursue nuclear weapons; and (2) ensure that the Iranian nuclear program was revamped to resist future air strikes.
And the new, more entrenched Iranian nuclear program wouldn't be the kind of thing that could be undone by a new generation of bunker-buster bombs. According to experts I've talked to, Iran would probably react to bombing not by burying its nuclear facilities deeper, but by dispersing them much more widely. They would be impossible to identify from the air and for that matter not readily identifiable from the street. Meanwhile, the international inspectors who now keep us apprised of Iran's nuclear status would be banned in the wake of air strikes. So even if we were willing to make additional bombing runs on an annual basis ("mowing the lawn," as some call it), we could never be confident that Iran wasn't producing a nuclear weapon. The only path to such confidence would be to invade the country and seize the instruments of state.
Would we actually do that? Probably. In justifying the initial bombing, President Obama will have driven home how unacceptable an Iran with nuclear weapons is, thus establishing as a kind of doctrine that America will never let Iran acquire them. (The "Obama doctrine" has never acquired a clear meaning, and I'm sure some hawks would be happy to assign it this new one as a way of gluing Obama to his commitment.)
Doctrines can be abandoned, of course, but only at some political cost. And this one would be an especially unlikely orphan when you have a president who (being a Democrat) is insecure about his national security credentials and, on top of that, is insecure about his pro-Israel credentials. Of course, if Obama loses in November, then, one or two years down the road, it won't be the creator of this doctrine who is in the White House. But in the event of a Republican presidency, adherence to such a doctrine is pretty much assured anyway. (See first paragraph, above.)
But why take my word for any of this? I'll close with the judgment of now-retired four-star Marine Gen. James Cartwright. Two years ago, when he was Vice-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, he had this exchange with Sen. Jack Reed during Senate hearings:
Senator Reed: I presume that [a bombing campaign] would not be 100 percent effective in terms of knocking them out. It would probably delay them, but that if they're persistent enough they could at some point succeed. Is that a fair judgment from your position?
General Cartwright: That's a fair judgment.
Senator Reed: So that the only absolutely dispositive way to end any potential would be to physically occupy their country and to disestablish their nuclear facilities. Is that a fair, logical conclusion?
General Cartwright: Absent some other unknown calculus that would go on, it's a fair conclusion.



  • all these people panting with eagerness to attack iran seem to believe that once the bombs start dropping they could keep events to their script. the trouble is that reality doesn't follow a script. the only real law in history is the law of unintended consequences. this is what happened in iraq, where the bush administration began with a neat script involving cheering crowds, orderly transitions to democracy, and free-flowing oil to pay for it all, a script to which our leaders clung even after the riots, the looting, the snipers proved that something else was going on which their script had not predicted and which they had no solutions for.
    we need leaders who don't go by fondly-tailored scripts but who deal in reality.  it's never a good idea to get yourself into a situation where if things don't go the way you expect, you have no good choices. this is what happened in iraq and we lost thousands of men, trillions of dollars, and our self-respect and credibility in the world.
  •  The panting most of us are hearing comes from Iran's leadership, making vague and specific threats against Israel,  as detailed by Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic.  I don't know what Iran's script is, but, surely, a war involving Iran, Israel, the United States and allies, could be quite costly and messy but not necessarily futile.
  • bradfromohio 3 hours ago
    What a lame article.  The logic that a bombing run must become an invasion is thin.  The only thing that you could logically conclude is that it is one possible scenario -- and under the current president, a highly unlikely one.  This just seems like more disinformation that is currently bubbling out of the media to make us fear soberly considering how to stop Iran's march to nuclear weapons and from there a certain attempt to reshape the Middle East's balance of power, and possibly an attempt at genocide with an attack on Israel.
  • subsilentio 4 hours ago
    What a great idea.  Let's tell our enemies our plans in advance.  Why not just send them a map of the locations of all our forces, too, while we're at it, in a gift box with bows and ribbons?  Romney is a pinhead.
  • Actually, no.  A U.S. or coalition of forces would not need to invade Iran with large numbers of troops.  Destroying, or partially destroying and threatening to destroy, the rest of Iran's oil and gas industries would bring Iran to its knees, not to mention blocking the export and import of petroleum products by our Navy and its allies.  You cannot bury oil refineries deep underground like nuclear projects, and Iran is too dependent on these industries, its products and revenues to survive long without them.
    Motor vehicle traffic would come to a halt in Tehran and other cities in short order.  And as much as the mullahs might want to tough it out, theirs in an unpopular regime with its young, sophisticated population.  Their nuclear industry would end and likely the stranglehold of the mullahs on power, like it or not.

  • The US does not have the military  capability to occupy Iran.  As noted the Iranians would not (do not) limit their violent responses to Iranian territory or even regional boundaries.  History runs for many years--consider the past Iranian-Iraq war, the just concluded Iraq-US war, the wars in Afghanistan. 
    I think it is clear that the US JCS realize all of this and that Obama knows it and Netanyahu knows he knows it.  It is too bad that so many so called serious political figures are willing to make believe that their calls for bombing Iran are a slam dunk win for the US and Israel.

  • If you enjoy tripe then you most likely enjoyed this article.
    What are tactical nuclear weapons for?
    To keep in storage?
    Either Israel or the US will use tactical nuclear weapons when they strike the most protected sites.
    And the US has already hinted at this, "You wouldn't want to be there after the strike!".
    OK so Iran retaliates?
    Against who and how?
    Israel is expecting a barrage of missiles and prefers them to a nuclear bomb.
    Iran will launch world-wide terror attacks?
    It's tentacles are everywhere already so what should we do?
    Roll over and play possum?
    Lastly and mostly what makes this article junk is that it suggests nothing: and we can all write stuff all day saying what shouldn't be done.
  • just can't wait to pull the trigger, can you
  • JohnWV 7 hours ago

    NO
    MORE WARS! Lift all sanctions and compensate Iran for damages with
    Israel's annual $3B gift. American foreign policy must again serve
    peace and humanity, not the Jewish state's cruel fixations on
    dominance and invulnerability. NO MORE WARS!
  • Islamic terrorism in India is not because of the Hind-jews.
  • Don't worry...
    They all become moderate muslims when they run out of ammunition.
  • Rolf Steiner 7 hours ago
    Israel & AIPAC have there hand up the proverbial rear-end of the Republican Party.  Israel lies - Americans die

  • Islamic terrorism in India has nothing to do with Hind-jews.
    India has been terrorized for centuries by Islam.
    Enough of your racist nonsense.
  • and indian hindus have terrorized muslims and christians. it's equal opportunity savagery
  • SovietAmericanInAmsterdam 8 hours ago
    Israel fights evil... errr pulls chestnuts out of the fire that is, with the American soldiers' hands (and, alas, corpses) 
  • I think Netanyahu is bluffing -- he wants to push into an unnecessary and unwanted conflict.
    A suggestion:
    Tell the Israelis
    a: go ahead and attack Iran on your own
    b. we will not support your attack in any way
    c: we will make that clear to Iran and encourage them not to strike any of our soldiers or bases, and there need not be a conflict between us
    Israel's military and intelligence experts have said that such an attack by Israel would be very risky and that Israel proper would suffer severe retaliation.  Unacceptable casualties. A  large portion of Israel's air force might be destroyed or incapacitated. Russia is making sure the Iranians have advanced warning.
    http://www.newsroomamerica.com...
    The economic train wreck that  will follow an Israeli attack will not result in rage at Iran.
    Obama, call his bluff.
    (Edited by author 8 hours ago)
  • SovietAmericanInAmsterdam 8 hours ago in reply to arvay
    Obama is pandering too much to Israel as have been most recent American presidents and candidates; what a shameful state of affairs.
    What an insane world we live in, the world's strongest nation's government tries to curry favor with a peon whose existence would be next to impossible without our help and support.
  • Here's the major reason:
    http://maplight.org/us-congres...
    If Americans die because of these sellouts, their deaths will be on their polluted hands.
    You know, one of the differences between our Congress of prostitutes and the Israeli politicians is that they are apparently patriots, who can't be bought as ours can. Imagine Obama free to visit Israel, get orgasmic money-based loyalty from the Knesset and then dictating to Netanyahu.
    A fantasy, of course, because among those here who aren't purchased, most of the rest are cowards. If we had relatively honest and patriotic legislators -- we wouldn't be having this conversation.
  • The nuclear weapons programs(S) are a tactical target. Pakistan has nukes, probably 100+, and we are living with them.
    What is the difference between Pakistan and Teheran?
    Pakistan is not run by a bunch of racist theocrats, every national leader of which since thei rbirth in 1979 has told us of the necessity of removing form the planet, one of our allies (Achmadinejad is merely the latest..sorry but those are facts).
    No president or PM of Pakistan is wanted for murder along with his cabinet in Argentina for terrorist mass murder.
    Teheran is not Pakistan.
    Teheran is NOT the politburo.
    The nuclear weapons program is a tactical issue.
    The mullahs are the strategic target.
    Mullahs, IRGC, Basij, Qud Force.
    THAT is the target.
    Sorry, but going after tactical targets is stupid. If it is worth war it is worth winning.
    If  we have no desire to remove the real targets, we shouldn't bother with any attack, but Israel certainly will, and the real target is beyond their ability.
    But the mullahs, may attack us here, and try to close hormuz, in which case, we must be sure a relentless decapitation campaign is the result. Not some 1 week bombing leaving these racist creeps around to ensure more terrorism. Decapitate and let the Iranians set up their own govt without any US forces on the ground. Neither of us deserve another occupation whose purpose is really understood only by Jefferson's farmer democracy owners.
    No one said all this was going to be easy.

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