We've goten to the point that the Right is writing revisionist history even before it supposedly occurs. The Stimulus was nearly 40% tax breaks... you *diots... and the actual stimulus dollars were not sufficient in terms of jump starting the Bush devastated economy. Obama had at least the honesty and moral conviction of putting the two unfunded wars back on the books, WHAT... no one was going to notice that the wars had not been added to the ledger by the former Administration. Supply Side economics and the Bush tax cuts according to the CBO account for nearly over half of our deficit! The rich pay less taxes as a percentage of income then a secretary, single parent and a mother of two with an upside down mortgage working two jobs put food on the table! The super rich on the other hand pay no taxes and get corporate welfare! Why have a Republican President when the Democrat now in office will let the economic terrorist, extortionist and thugs we now call the Tea Party have their way and destroy the poor, seniors, working Americans and the Middle Class. A weak President and the Tea Party have become this Countries perfect storm!!!!!!!!!
the problem is, spending our way out of the hole hasnt worked, and will never work. if there would have been even a modest approch to REAL job creation from the start this hole episode of "crap reality" tv wouldnt be airing right now, instead billions if not trillions were stuck into union labor, and defence. Putting people in charge of running things they have had no exsperiance in doing (czars) sure hasnt helped one iota either.
we cant spend our way out of debt, and to add a tax hike isnt going to do it. The time has passed where there was $$ alloted for jobs that would put small buisness back on its feet, and get America back in the game of making real "honest" money.
Party lines aside, looking at the big picture, instead of it being one side or the other we need to favor, we need to look at making cuts, and real cuts. Cut the programes for those who are not entitled. Cut the programs that tend to claim to help Americans yet have failed in every way. cut the programs that enable men and women alike to get off their fat crack smoking a$$es, and look for work. Trust me, i know the work isnt out there, i know 1st hand. Yet doing such things would encourage people to elect the right people to change the course of this entitled nation to what it once was, a productive nation. A nation that worked hard to get what it wanted, and gave a hand to those who need it, not felt they were entitled.
Soon we will have 100,000+ troops coming home to no job, an empty market, and no place to start a life they put their life on the line for. This is action 3 yrs past due, no plans made, nothing. no hard work to get the nation and the economy back on its feet. no doing what it takes for basically anything other than personal agenda when there was more than ample oppertunity to have something, anything, done for the people of this nation, and it was pi$$ed away with bickering, needless spending, and ignorance to the real issues that have been dragging hard wroking Americans into this bottomless sinkhole.
we cant spend our way out of debt, and to add a tax hike isnt going to do it. The time has passed where there was $$ alloted for jobs that would put small buisness back on its feet, and get America back in the game of making real "honest" money.
Party lines aside, looking at the big picture, instead of it being one side or the other we need to favor, we need to look at making cuts, and real cuts. Cut the programes for those who are not entitled. Cut the programs that tend to claim to help Americans yet have failed in every way. cut the programs that enable men and women alike to get off their fat crack smoking a$$es, and look for work. Trust me, i know the work isnt out there, i know 1st hand. Yet doing such things would encourage people to elect the right people to change the course of this entitled nation to what it once was, a productive nation. A nation that worked hard to get what it wanted, and gave a hand to those who need it, not felt they were entitled.
Soon we will have 100,000+ troops coming home to no job, an empty market, and no place to start a life they put their life on the line for. This is action 3 yrs past due, no plans made, nothing. no hard work to get the nation and the economy back on its feet. no doing what it takes for basically anything other than personal agenda when there was more than ample oppertunity to have something, anything, done for the people of this nation, and it was pi$$ed away with bickering, needless spending, and ignorance to the real issues that have been dragging hard wroking Americans into this bottomless sinkhole.
Nightbreeeze what would you like me to respond to? Stoop to your level and hurl insults at you? If you would like be specific and I will communicate with you without the insults please.
Ron Paul:''What we have been asked to do here is support a budget that only cuts relative to the President’s proposed budget. It still maintains a $1 trillion budget deficit for FY 2012, and spends even more money over the next 10 years than the Paul Ryan budget which already passed the House'' The Paul Ryan budget is a much more serious piece of legislation as far as cutting the deficit.
Ron Paul has been left out of the budget discussion:We do need to cut spending, and by a significant amount. Going back to 2008 levels of spending is not enough. We need to cut back at least to where spending was a decade ago. A recent news article stated that we pay 35 percent more for our military today than we did 10 years ago, for the exact same capabilities. The same could be said for the rest of the government. Why has our budget doubled in 10 years? This country doesn't have double the population, or double the land area, or double anything that would require the federal government to grow by such an obscene amount.'' Ron Paul is right the numbers are obscene and out of control! Doubled in SIZE OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS!
Dont take BO to be so shallow. There is always a method to his madness - he did not become the first black Prez by accident. Keep tuned. Throw the right wing a bone for now. Expose them for what they are - let them chew on it for a bit. There will be ample time to put things on track and especially in a second term where re-election is not an issue. The problem is that over the last 50 years we have become too complacent - sheep like. Dumb Fat and Sassy! Everything happens in cycles and so far the establishments that 'control' have been able to smooth things over just enough so we don't feel these waves. Alas once in a lifetime you have to go through some major shocks which no one can control and that is upon us. The tough will survive, the whiners will go by the wayside or get more polarized. The fact remains that vested interest have modified the landscape substantially and there is very little even playing field left. The next battleground surely will be the have nots against the haves.
Question: Can the Democratic Party nominate someone other then Obama in 2012? At this point the Republicans should nominate him forPresident given that he is so effective in getting their policy passed into law!
I hear a lot of talking heads telling the American people that the President of the United States needs to provide a plan to Congress. Let me make one thing clear, the President is the Chief Executive of the Executive Branch, responsible for the enforcement of laws enacted by Congress. The President is not responsible for writing policy, although many have and had their policies introduced to the American people by Senators and Representatives alike it is not his role to legislate. Respublicans members of Congress say we spend too much and Democratic members of Congress say we "need to take care of Americans" in effect spending more.
It is the responsibility of Congress to find a way through all of this mess and give the President of the United States a bill that is measured in fairness through reasonable cuts, modification in programs to eliminate fraud, waste and abuse, reduces the tax burden on the poor and middle class, eliminate tax loop holes for big corporations and the rich, penalizes those corporations that move jobs out of the country for cheaper labor, and forces our country to live within it's means. However, if the Democratic Congress gives away the bank without anything in return - they will be voted out of office. If the Republicans think for a moment that they're in control - they're incredibly wrong. Republicans (TeaPublicans as well) have embarrassed this country in the eyes of the world. The have brought us to the brink of financial meltdown, they refuse to negotiate and they're definition of negotiation is way off the mark.
So here's what happens in 2012. Obama gets reelected. Those members of Congress that have been entrenched will be voted out. The TeaPublicans will for the most part cease to exist. Independents will see their biggest increase in numbers in both Chambers.
For the rest of you - our GDP is roughly at $16 Trillion annually. Our Federal Deficits stands at $14.5 Trillion. That's means there are some people out their that could be helping this country out. After all - it is your country and you get to live in it because of my service and the service of millions of other Americans who served and fought for this country. We sacrificed...how about you?
It is the responsibility of Congress to find a way through all of this mess and give the President of the United States a bill that is measured in fairness through reasonable cuts, modification in programs to eliminate fraud, waste and abuse, reduces the tax burden on the poor and middle class, eliminate tax loop holes for big corporations and the rich, penalizes those corporations that move jobs out of the country for cheaper labor, and forces our country to live within it's means. However, if the Democratic Congress gives away the bank without anything in return - they will be voted out of office. If the Republicans think for a moment that they're in control - they're incredibly wrong. Republicans (TeaPublicans as well) have embarrassed this country in the eyes of the world. The have brought us to the brink of financial meltdown, they refuse to negotiate and they're definition of negotiation is way off the mark.
So here's what happens in 2012. Obama gets reelected. Those members of Congress that have been entrenched will be voted out. The TeaPublicans will for the most part cease to exist. Independents will see their biggest increase in numbers in both Chambers.
For the rest of you - our GDP is roughly at $16 Trillion annually. Our Federal Deficits stands at $14.5 Trillion. That's means there are some people out their that could be helping this country out. After all - it is your country and you get to live in it because of my service and the service of millions of other Americans who served and fought for this country. We sacrificed...how about you?
Obama is so far left that even with a rightward tilt, he still makes Chavez and Castro look conservative.
Now I realize that when the GOP said last November they were going to have a "laser-like focus on jobs", what they really meant was they were going to use a laser to destroy the few remaining American jobs.
We ALL have Palin's bullseye target on us now.
We ALL have Palin's bullseye target on us now.
I don't agree with much of PeAcE LoVeR-2838047's post #3.3, but it's a good post and should be restored... we're getting ridiculous with our collapsing.
PeAcE LoVeR-2838047,
On the surface, it's hard to dispute that we have problems in all the areas you point to in your list. In fact, some of the solutions you give are a good start to discussions to resolve the very problems you state.
The problem is that you leave no flexibility. Putting an absolute cap on spending makes too many people nervous that we won't be able to react to emergencies or to respond to the unforeseen needs of the future. Personally, I fail to see why a simple requirement to include the funding mechanism in any legislation would not serve your purpose.
Enacting all your points is like locking your ideology into law and not allow any other views on the subject... it just can't happen.
Try testing your rules with how we got here... let's see... would Bush have been able to increase security 1000-fold as quickly as he did? Not without funding it with new taxes or targeted cuts of something else, right? How long would that take? Could it EVER pass with an absolute majority? How about Afghanistan? What about increments like a surge? How about Iraq? Emergency bailouts? No? No matter what? Stimulus? Only sometimes? Only when the TP supports the legislation?
With your rules we would have either NOT done all those things or allowed it under some emergency provision and had this debt anyway.
Too rigid. Too much theory and ideology. Too open to constitutional interpretation. Too procedurally cumbersome.
BTW, the health care legislation met all your rules since the CBO scored it as actually relieving debt... so how can you justify a specific exception for that?... follow the rules unless we don't like it? I'd like to see the language of THAT law.... lol.
PeAcE LoVeR-2838047,
On the surface, it's hard to dispute that we have problems in all the areas you point to in your list. In fact, some of the solutions you give are a good start to discussions to resolve the very problems you state.
The problem is that you leave no flexibility. Putting an absolute cap on spending makes too many people nervous that we won't be able to react to emergencies or to respond to the unforeseen needs of the future. Personally, I fail to see why a simple requirement to include the funding mechanism in any legislation would not serve your purpose.
Enacting all your points is like locking your ideology into law and not allow any other views on the subject... it just can't happen.
Try testing your rules with how we got here... let's see... would Bush have been able to increase security 1000-fold as quickly as he did? Not without funding it with new taxes or targeted cuts of something else, right? How long would that take? Could it EVER pass with an absolute majority? How about Afghanistan? What about increments like a surge? How about Iraq? Emergency bailouts? No? No matter what? Stimulus? Only sometimes? Only when the TP supports the legislation?
With your rules we would have either NOT done all those things or allowed it under some emergency provision and had this debt anyway.
Too rigid. Too much theory and ideology. Too open to constitutional interpretation. Too procedurally cumbersome.
BTW, the health care legislation met all your rules since the CBO scored it as actually relieving debt... so how can you justify a specific exception for that?... follow the rules unless we don't like it? I'd like to see the language of THAT law.... lol.
RealAmericansFirst
The Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC) was a public work relief program that operated from 1933 to 1942 in the United States for unemployed, unmarried men from relief families, ages 18–25. A part of the New Deal of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, it provided unskilled manual labor jobs related to the conservation and development of natural resources in rural lands owned by federal, state and local governments. The CCC was designed to provide employment for young men in relief families who had difficulty finding jobs during the Great Depression while at the same time implementing a general natural resource conservation program in every state and territory. Maximum enrollment at any one time was 300,000; in nine years 2.5 million young men participated.Yes, let the government hire people to work on infrastructure projects, public lands and whatever else this country needs. But I suppose the GOP would prefer to send all that money to Iraq and Afghanistan so they can hire their people instead?
The CCC performed 300 possible types of work projects within ten approved general classifications:
- Structural Improvements: bridges, fire lookout towers, service buildings;
- Transportation: truck trails, minor roads, foot trails and airport landing fields;
- Erosion Control: check dams, terracing and vegetable covering;
- Flood Control: irrigation, drainage, dams, ditching, channel work, riprapping;
- Forest Culture: planting trees and shrubs, timber stand improvement, seed collection, nursery work;
- Forest Protection: fire prevention, fire pre-suppression, fire fighting, insect and disease control;
- Landscape and Recreation: public camp and picnic ground development, lake and pond site clearing and development;
- Range: stock driveways, elimination of predatory animals;
- Wildlife: stream improvement, fish stocking, food and cover planting;
- Miscellaneous: emergency work, surveys, mosquito control.[18]
RealAmericansFirst
There is more money in the American economy today than there was in 2007. (See Corporate profits have recovered, but job market still depressed) The question is, where is it going? Not to workers any more.
Corporate tax revenues are down to 9% of all federal revenue, their lowest percentage in American history. 60% of American corporations don't pay any taxes at all.
And the top personal income tax rate is at its lowest level since the 1931.
But payroll taxes are now up to 40% of federal revenue.
U.S. Federal Tax Receipts - Fiscal Year 2010
And here's a great chart showing how America's tax burden has been shifted off to working people over time:
Sources of federal revenue, Fiscal 1950-2008
Corporations are recording record profits while sitting on over $1.9 TRILLION in cash. But NONE of it's going to workers:
Change in corporate profits and number of jobs in the U.S. since the start of the recession
BOTTOM LINE: We can't afford corporate welfare any more.
RealAmericansFirst
Corporate tax revenues are down to 9% of all federal revenue, their lowest percentage in American history. 60% of American corporations don't pay any taxes at all.
And the top personal income tax rate is at its lowest level since the 1931.
But payroll taxes are now up to 40% of federal revenue.
U.S. Federal Tax Receipts - Fiscal Year 2010
And here's a great chart showing how America's tax burden has been shifted off to working people over time:
Sources of federal revenue, Fiscal 1950-2008
Corporations are recording record profits while sitting on over $1.9 TRILLION in cash. But NONE of it's going to workers:
Change in corporate profits and number of jobs in the U.S. since the start of the recession
BOTTOM LINE: We can't afford corporate welfare any more.
RealAmericansFirst
Oil companies keep subsidies
WASHINGTON -- After a full day of debate in which senators agreed that gas was too expensive and almost nothing else, a Democratic proposal to strip $2 billion in annual tax subsidies from five major oil companies failed Tuesday.
The vote was on a procedural question - whether to bring the bill to the floor for debate. Such motions require 60 votes to pass so while the bill earned a majority, 52 to 48, it still fell short. (Every Democrat voted for it except Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska and Mark Begich of Alaska while all Republicans except Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins of Maine voted against it.)
Democrats said the vote delays, but does not end, efforts to change tax law that would disqualify Chevron, Exxon Mobil, Conoco Phillips, Shell and BP from pocketing $21 billion in subsidies over the next 10 years.
