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Thursday, December 1, 2011

How Paulson Gave Hedge Funds Advance Word of Fannie Mae Rescue

By Richard Teitelbaum - Nov 29, 2011 12:46 PM ET
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Bloomberg Markets Magazine


Former Treasury Secretary Henry M. Paulson testifies before the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission on Capitol Hill in Washington on May 6, 2010. Photographer: Luke Sharrett/The New York Times
Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- William Cohan, author of "Money and Power: How Goldman Sachs Came to Rule the World" and a Bloomberg View Columnist, talks about a meeting former U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson held in July 2008 with hedge fund managers and Wall Street executives. According to a fund manager who attended, Paulson hinted of a Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac rescue, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its January issue. Cohan speaks with Erik Schatzker on Bloomberg Television's "InsideTrack." (Cohan is a Bloomberg View columnist. The opinions expressed are his own. Source: Bloomberg)
Nov. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Joshua Rosner, an analyst at Graham Fisher & Co., talks about a meeting former U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson held in July 2008 with hedge fund managers and Wall Street executives. According to a fund manager who attended, Paulson hinted of a Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac rescue, Bloomberg Markets magazine reports in its January issue. Rosner speaks on Bloomberg Television's "InBusiness With Margaret Brennan." (Source: Bloomberg)
Aug. 12 (Bloomberg) -- Former U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson speaks about the actions taken to address the financial crisis in 2008 and the Standard & Poor's downgrade of the U.S. credit rating. Paulson participated in a discussion at Dartmouth College on Aug. 11 with former Republican U.S. Senator Judd Gregg of New Hampshire. (This report is an excerpt from Bloomberg Television's "Street Smart." Source: Bloomberg)
Attachment:TIMELINE OF FANNIE, FREDDIE TAKEOVER
Former U.S. treasury secretary Henry Paulson. Photographer: Jerome Favre/Bloomberg
Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson stepped off the elevator into the Third Avenue offices of hedge fund Eton Park Capital Management LP in Manhattan. It was July 21, 2008, and market fears were mounting. Four months earlier, Bear Stearns Cos. had sold itself for just $10 a share to JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)
Now, amid tumbling home prices and near-record foreclosures, attention was focused on a new source of contagion: Fannie Mae (FNMA) and Freddie Mac, which together had more than $5 trillion in mortgage-backed securities and other debt outstanding, Bloomberg Markets reports in its January issue.
Paulson had been pushing a plan in Congress to open lines of credit to the two struggling firms and to grant authority for the Treasury Department to buy equity in them. Yet he had told reporters on July 13 that the firms must remain shareholder owned and had testified at a Senate hearing two days later that giving the government new power to intervene made actual intervention improbable.
“If you have a bazooka, and people know you have it, you’re not likely to take it out,” he said.
On the morning of July 21, before the Eton Park meeting, Paulson had spoken to New York Times reporters and editors, according to his Treasury Department schedule. A Times article the next day said the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency were inspecting Fannie and Freddie’s books and cited Paulson as saying he expected their examination would give a signal of confidence to the markets.

A Different Message

At the Eton Park meeting, he sent a different message, according to a fund manager who attended. Over sandwiches and pasta salad, he delivered that information to a group of men capable of profiting from any disclosure.
Around the conference room table were a dozen or so hedge- fund managers and other Wall Street executives -- at least five of them alumni of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), of which Paulson was chief executive officer and chairman from 1999 to 2006. In addition to Eton Park founder Eric Mindich, they included such boldface names as Lone Pine Capital LLC founder Stephen Mandel, Dinakar Singh of TPG-Axon Capital Management LP and Daniel Och of Och-Ziff Capital Management Group LLC.
After a perfunctory discussion of the market turmoil, the fund manager says, the discussion turned to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Paulson said he had erred by not punishing Bear Stearns shareholders more severely. The secretary, then 62, went on to describe a possible scenario for placing Fannie and Freddie into “conservatorship” -- a government seizure designed to allow the firms to continue operations despite heavy losses in the mortgage markets.

Stock Wipeout

Paulson explained that under this scenario, the common stock of the two government-sponsored enterprises, or GSEs, would be effectively wiped out. So too would the various classes of preferred stock, he said.
The fund manager says he was shocked that Paulson would furnish such specific information -- to his mind, leaving little doubt that the Treasury Department would carry out the plan. The managers attending the meeting were thus given a choice opportunity to trade on that information.
There’s no evidence that they did so after the meeting; tracking firm-specific short stock sales isn’t possible using public documents.
And law professors say that Paulson himself broke no law by disclosing what amounted to inside information.

Rampant Rumors

At the time, rumors about Fannie and Freddie were tearing through the markets. The government-chartered firms’ mandate, which continues today, is to buy mortgages from banks and repackage them into securities either for their own portfolios or to sell to others. The banks can then use the proceeds from those transactions to write new mortgages.
By mid-2008, delinquencies and foreclosures were soaring, and the GSEs set aside billions of dollars against future losses. In the first six months of 2008, they racked up net losses of $5.46 billion as they slashed dividends and marked down the values of their huge inventories of mortgage-backed securities.
On Wall Street, confusion reigned. UBS AG analyst Eric Wasserstrom on July 10 cut his share price target on Freddie to $10 from $28. The next day, Citigroup Inc. (C) analyst Bradley Ball reiterated a “buy” recommendation on the two GSEs. On July 12, the Times of London, without citing a source, reported that Paulson was contemplating a $15 billion capital injection into the firms.

Shares Rally

At the time Paulson privately addressed the fund managers at Eton Park, he had given the market some positive signals -- and the GSEs’ shares were rallying, with Fannie Mae’s nearly doubling in four days.
William Black, associate professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, can’t understand why Paulson felt impelled to share the Treasury Department’s plan with the fund managers.
“You just never ever do that as a government regulator -- transmit nonpublic market information to market participants,” says Black, who’s a former general counsel at the Federal Home Loan Bank of San Francisco. “There were no legitimate reasons for those disclosures.”
Janet Tavakoli, founder of Chicago-based financial consulting firm Tavakoli Structured Finance Inc., says the meeting fits a pattern.
“What is this but crony capitalism?” she asks. “Most people have had their fill of it.”

A Lawyer’s Advice

The fund manager who described the meeting left after coffee and called his lawyer. The attorney’s quick conclusion: Paulson’s talk was material nonpublic information, and his client should immediately stop trading the shares of Washington- based Fannie and McLean, Virginia-based Freddie.
Seven weeks later, the boards of the two firms voted to go into conservatorship under the newly created Federal Housing Finance Agency. The takeover was effective Sept. 6, a Saturday, and the companies’ stock prices dropped below $1 the following Monday, from $14.13 for Fannie Mae and $8.75 for Freddie Mac (FMCC) on the day of the meeting. Various classes of preferred shares lost upwards of 85 percent of their value.
A complete list of those at the Eton Park meeting isn’t publicly available. A Treasury Department roster of those expected to attend, obtained by Bloomberg News under the Freedom of Information Act, includes Ripplewood Holdings LLC CEO Timothy Collins, who says, through a spokesman, that he didn’t participate.

Storied Investors

At least one fund manager who wasn’t listed in the FOIA document, Daniel Stern of Reservoir Capital Group, did attend, says the manager who described the meeting.
The gathering comprised some of Wall Street’s most storied investors. Mindich, a former chief strategy officer of New York- based Goldman Sachs, started Eton Park in 2004 with $3.5 billion, at the time one of the biggest hedge-fund launches ever. Singh, a former head of Goldman’s proprietary-trading desk, also began his fund in 2004, in partnership with private- equity firm Texas Pacific Group Ltd.
Lone Pine’s Mandel worked as a retail analyst at Goldman before joining Julian Robertson’s Tiger Management LLC, one of the most successful hedge funds of the 1980s and 1990s. He started his own firm in 1997. Och was co-head of U.S. equity trading at Goldman before founding Och-Ziff in 1994. The publicly listed firm managed $28.9 billion in November.

Goldman Alums

One other Goldman Sachs alumnus was at the meeting: Frank Brosens, founder and principal of Taconic Capital Advisors LP, who worked at Goldman as an arbitrageur and who was a protege of Robert Rubin, who went on to become Treasury secretary.
Non-Goldman Sachs alumni who attended included short seller James Chanos of Kynikos Associates Ltd., who helped uncover the Enron Corp. accounting fraud; GSO Capital Partners LP co-founder Bennett Goodman, who sold his firm to Blackstone Group LP (BX) in early 2008; Roger Altman, chairman and founder of New York investment bank Evercore Partners Inc. (EVR); and Steven Rattner, a co-founder of private-equity firm Quadrangle Group LLC, who went on to serve as head of the U.S. government’s Automotive Task Force.
Another person in attendance: Michele Davis, then-assistant secretary for public affairs at the Treasury Department, who now represents Paulson as a managing partner at public relations firm Brunswick Group Inc. In an e-mail response to Bloomberg Markets, she referred all questions to Paulson’s book on the financial crisis, “On the Brink” (Business Plus, 2010), which makes no mention of the Eton Park meeting.

Paulson Thinktank

Paulson is now a distinguished senior fellow at the University of Chicago, where he’s starting the Paulson Institute, a think tank focused on U.S.-Chinese relations.
Eton Park’s Mindich, Lone Pine’s Mandel, TPG-Axon’s Singh and Och-Ziff (OZM)’s Och all declined to comment through spokesmen. Reservoir’s Stern didn’t return phone calls. Altman, through a spokesman, confirmed his attendance and declined to comment further.
Brosens confirmed in an e-mail that he had attended and said he couldn’t recall details. A spokesman for Rattner acknowledged he attended and said he didn’t trade in Fannie Mae- or Freddie Mac-related instruments after the meeting. Chanos declined to comment.
A Blackstone spokesman confirmed in an e-mail that GSO’s Goodman attended the meeting. Blackstone doesn’t believe market- sensitive information was discussed, and in any event Blackstone didn’t take any positions in Fannie or Freddie between the luncheon and Sept. 6, he wrote.

Strong Short Interest

Records show that many investors were betting against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac at the time. According to Data Explorers Ltd., a London-based research firm, short interest in Fannie Mae shares rose sharply in July, to 163 million shares on July 14 from 86.3 million shares on July 9.
Short Interest continued to rise, to 240 million shares, on the day of the Eton Park meeting; it hit 262 million on July 24, its high for the year. Freddie Mac’s short interest showed a similar trajectory.
Revelations about the meeting come at a sensitive time.
“The optics are awful; there’s no doubt about it,” says professor Larry Ribstein of the University of Illinois College of Law in Champaign. “Everyone knows that insider trading is a huge issue.”
Rajat Gupta, the former head of McKinsey & Co. who was a member of Goldman’s board, was indicted by a federal grand jury on Oct. 26 for disclosing nonpublic information on Goldman and other companies to Raj Rajaratnam, a hedge-fund manager who earlier in October was sentenced to 11 years in prison for profiting from inside information provided by a web of industry insiders, including Gupta.
Gupta has pleaded not guilty.

LightSquared Probe

Several U.S. agencies face increased scrutiny in Congress for possible improper disclosures or ties to hedge funds. Senators are looking into whether the U.S. Department of Education divulged nonpublic details about new rules being considered to regulate for-profit educational institutions to outsiders, including Steven Eisman, former managing director of FrontPoint Partners LLC, who held short positions in the sector.
Education Department spokesman Justin Hamilton denies any impropriety. Eisman hasn’t been accused of any wrongdoing.
In October, Republican Senator Charles Grassley of Iowa asked hedge-fund manager Philip Falcone for copies of all communications between his Harbinger Capital Partners and the Department of Commerce, the Federal Communications Commission and the White House. Grassley is looking into whether Falcone improperly sought to influence regulators and the White House while seeking approvals for LightSquared Inc., the company constructing a broadband wireless network his fund is bankrolling.

‘Government Information’

Robin Roger, general counsel for the fund’s management firm, says any assertion that the fund or LightSquared tried to improperly influence regulators is unfounded.
For government officials, the leaking of market-sensitive information, even if inadvertent, represents an ethical minefield.
“There’s a lot of government information out there, and the hedge funds are trying to get it,” saysRichard Painter, a law professor at the University of Minnesota who advised the Bush administration on Paulson’s sale of his Goldman stock when he became Treasury secretary. “It’s a huge problem that has to be addressed.”
The rules for what can or cannot be disclosed by government officials are often either unclear or nonexistent.

Tipping Hands

“The bottom line is that senior-level people in Washington, in the name of keeping in touch with their stakeholders, are tipping their hands,” says Adam Zagorin, a senior fellow at the Project on Government Oversight, a Washington watchdog group. “You can’t prosecute them for insider trading if they didn’t trade the shares. You may not be able to even reprimand them. What the hell are the rules?”
An official such as Paulson has no legal obligation to keep material nonpublic information to himself, says Phillip Kaplan, partner for litigation at Manatt Phelps & Phillips LLP, where he specializes in securities and class-action cases.
“I don’t think a government person is liable,” he says. “He didn’t profit from the information or trade on it.”
In the rapidly evolving world of insider-trading prosecutions, that could change, says the University of Illinois’s Ribstein, adding that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is taking a broader view of what constitutes insider trading. SEC Enforcement Director Robert Khuzami, who can bring only civil cases, and the Justice Department, which can mount criminal prosecutions, have cast their net wide, Ribstein says.

Small Players Sued

In addition to going after big names like Rajaratnam and Gupta, the authorities are suing and indicting smaller players who might not have been prosecuted in the past, like accountants and analysts at so-called expert networks, who sell their expertise to hedge funds.
The University of Missouri’s Black says there’s no question that the plan to take over Fannie and Freddie -- however uncertain -- was material nonpublic information that could not be lawfully traded on. “What Paulson said put those managers in an untenable position,” he says. “They were exposed to all kinds of liabilities.”
The situation also generates some sympathy for Paulson.
“It seems to me, you’ve got to cut the guy some slack, even if he tipped his hand,” says William Poole, a former president of the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis. “How do you prepare the market for the fact that policy has changed without triggering the very crisis that you’re trying to avoid? What is he supposed to say without misleading these people?”

Market Insights

Poole says government officials need to communicate with industry participants in order to gain insights into market conditions and gauge likely reaction to interventions.
Black says the Eton Park meeting was the wrong way to communicate to the markets.
“Wink, wink, nod, nod is no way to approach sensitive information,” he says.
Paulson often contacted Wall Street participants throughout his tenure, according to his calendar. On that July trip to New York alone, he talked to Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. CEO Richard Fuld, Washington Mutual Inc. CEO Kerry Killinger and Citigroup senior adviser Rubin.
Morgan Stanley and BlackRock Inc. both helped the Federal Reserve and OCC prepare the reports on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that Paulson told the New York Times would instill confidence the morning of the Eton Park meeting.

‘Unsafe and Unsound’

Paulson learned by mid-August that the Federal Reserve had found the GSEs “unsafe and unsound,” he told the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, which was appointed by President Barack Obama and Congress to probe the causes of the financial collapse.
“We’d been prepared for bad news, but the extent of the problems was startling,” he wrote in “On the Brink.”
On Sept. 6, when the GSEs’ boards agreed to have their companies placed in conservatorship, full-year 2008 losses were projected to reach as much as $50 billion for Fannie Mae and $32 billion for Freddie Mac. In October 2011, the FHFA estimated the cost to taxpayers of rescuing the firms at $124 billion through 2014.
The manager who described the Eton Park meeting says he also discussed it with an investigator from the FCIC. The discussion was confirmed by a former FCIC employee.
That manager says he ended up profiting from his Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac positions because he was already short the stocks. On his lawyer’s advice, he stopped covering his short positions and rode Fannie and Freddie shares all the way to the bottom.
To contact the reporter on this story: Richard Teitelbaum in New York atrteitelbaum1@bloomberg.net.
To contact the editor responsible for this story: Michael Serrill at mserrill@bloomberg.net.




  • Insider trading and providing insider information to traders is theft, pure and simple (long and short manipulation on such information cheats honest traders out of gains and significantly raises the latter's risk-to-reward ratio). The only problem here is forcing such common sense into law in order to throttle the inherently corrupt and dishonest lawyers, politicians and traders. The only reason it's legal today is that people who were trusted to represent the people and their interests sold out those interests to special interests who can only thrive in a lawless environment.
  • adirondack_1 15 hours ago
    If whatever is said or done impacts the taxpayer negatively then it should be viewed as harmful to the nation. If that isn't illegal I can't imagine what any elected or appointed official would think his job really is if not to protect the citizens.
  • Connieandgeo 19 hours ago
    Why was I not allowed to Facebook this? They keep saying that people bought homes which they could not afford. I'm sorry but the people who let these people buy these homes knew what they were doing. What hurts so much is that so many people are trying to break up our beloved USA. in so many different ways. I know that what I just wrote here is not what the article is about. I'm just venting. What has happened to honor, integrity etc.
  • You know... there is a legal method of curtailing these obvious fraudulent actions by these gov't officials and their crony-capitalism buddies.  It is called citizens arrest.  As a citizen, you have not only the capacity to make citizens arrests but you also are required to perform this duty.  The law clearly states that if a person has witnessed or is personally aware of a fraudulent act either undertaken or that is being conspired to occur, that that person must either report the fraud to authorities or they too are guilty by association.  This law is what allows anyone the ability to make a citizens arrest.   Paulson should be in jail.  This is an obvious point.
  • A citizen's arrest only applies to an illegal act.  The article clearly says that Paulson broke no law. His acts falls under the heading of immorality, rather than illegality.   The hedge fund managers in all probability did profit illegally from this information, but there is no evidence to confirm this, and in America we believe it's better to let a guilty man go free than to risk punishing an innocent one. We citizens must understand the law in order to use it to our advantage.
  • Amb. L E Wanta 20 hours ago
    AmeriTrust Groupe, Inc. - Richmond proffered to purchase both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with CASH Monetary Funds, after repatriation taxes paid [May, 2006] of USDollars 1.575 Trillion. Please review - IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF VIRGINIA, ALEXANDRIA DIVISION - CIVIL ACTION No. 02 - 1363 - A, FILED APRIL 15 2003.  SEE MEMORANDUM OPINION TO THE LIQUIDATION OF THE CORPORATIONS AND REPORT THESE TRANSACTIONS TO THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE AND THEN CHALLENGE THE ASSESSMENT OF ANY TAXES IN A REFUND PROCEEDING.   DATED : APRIL 15, 2003    /S/ GERALD BRUCE LEE -  U.S. DISTRICT JUDGE.
  • FrankieB 21 hours ago
    The lack of knowledge here is startling.  First, Paulson broke no laws -- he's the 'tippee.'  Second, in order to engage in illegal insider trading you have to (1) trade on material nonpublic information and (2) breach a fiduciary duty.  Even if (1) was violated, (2) was not.  If you think that's not important, then look up DIRKS VS. SEC (1983) the seminal case in which the SEC and govt wanted to throw Ray Dirks in jail for disclosing an investment fraud by charging him with insider trading.  Instead, the US Supreme Court (6-3 decision) said it WAS NOT illegal and today he is considered a hero.
  • If this is true, then Rajat Gupta has nothing to worry about.
  • Joseph_canepa 23 hours ago
    This is Obama's chance to do what he
    was elected to do.




    Since the SEC keeps records of all
    trades and the information presumably is all entered in computers,
    Obama should order the NSA to analyze all the post meeting trades
    made by the attendees, individual and their institutions, in Freddie
    and Fanny stock. This could be done in days. Let's find who made the
    money on the insider trading and seek justice.




    People who lost money to the cronies
    need to be repaid.
  • Calhar2933 1 day ago
    How supposedly smart men could be so stupid is unconscionable??This circus is reminescent of the story I heard many many years ago.Two businessmen met on the street,one asked the other how business was,to which he replied,Great im loosing money every day,if it wasn't for the volume I couldn't stay in business!! Real smart???????
  • Do you really think it was stupidity that made this happen? The epople who did the trading made millions off of this information. It's more about greed and a lack of morals.
  • Websters defines greed as: a selfish and excessive desire for more of something (as money) than is needed. So who decides what “MORE THAN NEEDED” means?  Al Gore called people who made more than $250K per year millionaires.  A Green Party manifesto once stated a family of four need only $30K per year to live. May be we should let Minimalist like Noam Chromsky and Ted Kacynski decide how much is too much?
  • Jeff 1 day ago
    Shame on them.. And we still have no jobs in this country while oboma Friends Get Rich, Go after oboma, Help save this Country, Bloomberg, We need your help. They Cut you out of Most cable systems too, Why is That?
  • Jeff - that's ludicrous -- that's like saying that after Hoover drove the economy and the nation into the ditch, everyone should have blamed FDR.  The meetings you are talking about here occurred while Mr. Bush was still president.  In fact, before Obama was even elected.  Cleaning up after a hurricane is not easy, I know, I've helped do it -- cleaning up after a tsunami is even harder, and doing so while someone is holding the tools out of reach is nearly impossible - and the person who is acting in a criminal manner is the tool holder --  in this case, the GOP.
  • Charles from Las Vegas in reply to Hermes Mercury 14 hours ago
    Does anybody know that George W. Bush was faced with a Democrat Senate the last three years of his presidency?  Every dime he spent was given to him by them, and every regulation he tried to work with was blocked by this hostile Senate.  Why does the media or Obama never mention this?
  • Joe 1 day ago
    Has anyone checked if Paulson, his family/trusts are invested in Hedge Funds in particular those at the meeting ? has he since been deriving any financial benefits from any of them ?
  • Srgthumper 1 day ago
    Convenient that they don't mention any of the Dem leadership in this.  Barney Frank, Reid, and Pelosi.  It's not insider trading if your a Dem senator
  • A lovely demonstration of a logical fallacy.  Mr. Srgthumper - it wasn't Barney Frank, Senator Reid or Leader Pelosi who was inside the room full of hedge fund managers giving insider information.  It was Mr. Paulson, a Republican, and the appointed treasury secretary.  If your eyes are on the target in the next field you will never hit the one in front of you ---  oh -- right, you don't WANT to hit the actual target, you want to distract people from it -- I forgot.
  • have you forgotten that it was the vote of almost all the dems  with just a very few repubs  who approved the bailout?  are you so blindsided by your party affiliation that you can't see the truth of how corrupt the entire political system is??? aren't you aware that Obama has gotten way more funding for his campaign from Goldman Sachs  and the remaining big six investment TBTF banks this year than  the money he got for the 2008 campaign?  cannot you look yourself in the public records  and in any website  like opensecrets  or propublica  where all these reports are there to see??? didn't you read Ms Pelosi's own admission that she indeed  incurred in insider trading  but because the congresspeople for some strange reason got an exception for themselves  it is not a crime, it is perfectly legal so all is good????  are you serious,  you want us to believe the political system is right  just one party is wrong???  thanks but no thanks please stop serving kool aid  we don't want to take it anymore, but you can drown in it if you want  thanks
  • And you have forgotten that Bush and Paulson proposed the 'no questions asked, no accountability needed, and no need to worry about prosecution for misuse of the bailout money' bailout.
  • Don't worry, many of us out here are very well aware of both party's principles being involved in this kind of chicanery.
    The reporter and writer did a good job.
  • I keep hoping to see more and more comments like yours....which tell us that the Electorate is finally getting wize to the DC con artists....of both flavors and varieties...
  • Jroboston 1 day ago
    The article takes too narrow a perspective by focusing on the fact that the hedge fund managers didn't trade in Freddie/Fanny stock after the meeting.  They received information that would impact the economy at large - not just these two companies.  There's no way to know how much they profited from this far reaching information by making trades in other companies that would be affected by the pending action at the mortgage companies.
  • Jmcharg 1 day ago
    Fraud , Fraud, FRAUD !!!
  • Freedomaphile 1 day ago
    "It was July
    21, 2008"

    Those suggesting this whole economic mess is President Obama's fault should have their noses rubbed in this date.

    (six month before he was inaugurated and three months before he was even elected)
  • I'm Conservative....part of my criticism of Obama is,  not that this was his fault, but contrary to his promises he really just continued the old ways.....I would luv to throw all the Bums out....this includes Bush and his cronies....he's left....but for me, he's not forgotten....I have very few good things to say about Bush....Georgie Porgie as I call him...
  • During the end of 2008, I always thought that former GoldmanSachs head Henry Paulson, was part of a cabal of banking and finance insiders who, already knowing for years about implosion of the derivatives and housing fiascos, were part of a collusion to enrich themselves through TARP and bailout government (taxpayers) money; and that with little time left in his administration, also George W. Bush used that as a political pass, so he and his cohorts could use time pressure to extort the money from Congress and American Citizens. A hapless Joe goes to jail for stealing a chicken, while CEO's and Cabinet heads extort billions, not only without penalty, but even with severence pay (golden parachute).
  • Agree a thousand per cent....that's why so many of us out here are so Angry....We all know that these SOB's on the inside are enriching themselves at every turn....what I heard was that Paulson shorted the economy and got rich doing it....

    If you steal a hundred bucks...at least ten years in jail....steal billions?....well, first comes the book, your memoirs.....and all the talk shows....

    Paulson was invited on Money Talk with Bob Brinker....and declined....we all know why....he might have outed for the Crook that he is...
  • NewtTheMaster_De_Bater 1 day ago
    Stop the mindless cheer leading.  Bush effed us all of the way out the door by setting aside our constitution in order to save the power brokers of our country, after they gambled THEIR money away on the stock market.  Once that was accomplished Obama scooped up that "fumble" and ran all the way for a "socialist TD".   Both men should be jailed for their crimes.  But, that is the past.  What do we do now?  We are at a crossroads.  Do we elect another Repulocrat like Bush or Obama?(see Romney,Newt,Huntsman,Clinton,etc). No,I think not. Vote for the only man that matters.  Vote for your own power.  Vote for your own FREEDOM.  Vote for Ron Paul.
  • I voted for Bush....and , at the end, I despised the man.....the Electorate,or so I believe, are afraid of the Honesty of Paul....he assuredly isnt Perfect , but, at least, I really believe he's an Honest man...and every day we see new evidence about the crooks in the Fed,etc.etc.etc....yet, no one ,aside from Paul,really wants to do anything about it..
  • Gary 1 day ago
    To those who say "You can't eat Gold'. Brilliant. I never thought of that - in fact I've been buying Gold all along to eat it.
    Obviously the only braintrust saying this are people who don't have the forsight to either own Gold or stock up on food stuffs - preferably freeze-dried food that lasts 25 years.
    Once you ride through this coming storm, if you've been able to preserve your wealth and assets in terms of their purchasing power and to maintain liquidity--which the physical gold will give you--you'll be in a position to take care of yourself and take advantage of some extraordinary investment opportunities that likely would flow out of the turmoil ahead.
  • This is typical doomsday thinking; gold is only another commodity and is prone to significant volatility. It is definitely not a "sure thing" that will keep its value. Just look at a graph of its value over the past 10 or 20 years.
  • Yeah, while you are at it, take a look at a graph of its value over the past 2000 years.

    The last 10-20 years the price of gold has been manipulated to make the US dollar seem like it has any value (and it still is today).

    Is it prone to volatility? Sure. But to say it is "definitely not a sure thing that will keep its value" is simply ignorant and asinine.
  • In reply to Hermes Mercury...

    Ahh, so you are in the "you can't eat it" camp. Are you going to say it's a barbarous relic too? It doesn't pay dividends?

    Guess what, if you are hungry, you can't eat paper dollars either. You can't eat a house either! Or stocks... You exchange paper dollars for food. And believe it or not, you can exchange gold for paper dollars, which in turn buys you food, or whatever else you want. Your argument about "you can't eat it" is childish at best.

    If government fails, why can't you keep gold? Because they will confiscate it from you? If you haven't waken up already, they have stolen more rights from you in the last decade then they have since the constitution was brought into existence. Gold is an insurance policy AGAINST the government and the fiat currency that will ultimately fail. When your paper dollars aren't worth the paper it's printed on, I'll be happy I have my precious metals while.
  • LOL - you mean how Gold has gone up 700% over the last ten years? outperformed the DOW and every asset class? When people start questioning what IS money - they will return to what has been money for 6,000 years. Enjoy your paper chasing...
  • Incorrect.  If you are hungry you cannot eat gold.  If government fails you cannot keep gold.  So either hope for a different result than the one you are forecasting or work toward one -- because you will be no happier than anyone else if that result comes.
  • Lawjunkie 1 day ago
    I lost more than money, I lost a son when bush told that fairy tail about "weapons of mass destruction". Paulson and anybody who was involved with this financial fiasco is a criminal and financial terrorist and should be tried and put in jail if guilty. My son gave his life so these animals can keep on stealing from all of us! I am too disgusted to even think.
  • You have my sincere sympathy.

    Your son gave his life fighting for his country and all the citizens of the USA.  That we, the people, were snookered into believing a lie does not change the value of his sacrifice for us. 
  • Would my argument carry more weight if I claimed the loss two sons?
  • I am so terribly sorry. I lost a son to an auto accident, so I have some vague understanding, even if not precisely.  May he rest in peace and light encompass him.

    Kindest thoughts.
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