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What Do Americans Really Think Of Health Care Reform Repeal?


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Jon Terbush | January 21, 2011, 8:42AM




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In reclaiming the House last November, Republicans framed their victory as a clear mandate from the American people to scrap 'Obamacare.' A cursory scan of the polling data suggests they were right, with some polls pegging support for repeal as high as 60%.
Yet a closer examination of the numbers reveals that the claim is considerably overblown.
The primary problem with polling data on the issue is that surveys tend to oversimplify the debate. Many polls present respondents with just two options: repeal the whole shebang, or do nothing at all. What those polls fail to take into account is the fact that some parts of the law are widely popular, while others are disliked, and still others are unknown or misunderstood.
For example, a CNN poll from December found broad support for the law's main provisions -- except the much maligned individual mandate. Sixty percent of respondents said they opposed the individual mandate, though larger percentages supported the provisions preventing insurers from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions (64%) or dropping coverage for those who become seriously ill (61%.)
All or nothing polls tend to exaggerate support for a full repeal by counting respondents who may only dislike one part of the comprehensive law.
Rasmussen is perhaps the biggest culprit here, as they ask a direct repeal or no repeal question and allow respondents to say only whether they "strongly" or "somewhat" fall to either side. By that measure, Rasmussen pegged support for repeal at 60% in mid December, with just 34% opposing repeal. (Rasmussen has been criticized in the past, notably by Nate Silver, for using methodology that may create biased results.)
When more nuanced wording is used, the picture changes drastically.
As Greg Sargent noted earlier this week, a great example of this is the latest ABC/Washington Post poll, which first asked respondents if they supported or opposed the law, and then asked those who opposed or had no opinion of the law if they favored a full or partial repeal. When the results of that breakdown were factored back into the whole sample, less than one in five (18%) favored a full repeal, while more people (19%) favored a partial repeal.
That poll isn't alone. In fact, two polls have actually found a seemingly counterintuitive result, given the supposed high support for a total repeal.
A recent AP-GFK poll pegged support for the law at 40%, with opposition slightly higher at 41%. But when they asked if respondents would like to expand, trim, or scrap the law, or to leave it as is, a whopping 43% said they'd like to see the law do more to change the health care system. Meanwhile, 26% said they'd want it repealed entirely, and 10% said they'd prefer to see it scaled back. Similarly, when Marist presented respondents with the same options, 35% said they wanted the law to do more, while 30% wanted it repealed entirely.
A quick look at the TPM Poll Average greatly underscores this point. With all polls factored in, support for full repeal trumps opposition, 50% to 43.4%.
[Late Update: Since this post was published Friday morning, new polls have been entered in TPM PollTracker, which has changed the TPM Poll Average. The text of this post hasn't been changed, but the numbers in the graphs below reflect the new polls.]
But when Rasmussen is filtered out, the opposite is true, with opposition to repeal coming out on top 46.5% to 45.5%.
Rasmussen polls the question far more regularly than anyone else, which skews the average toward their finding.
Despite full-throated assertions from some Republicans that the midterm elections were a complete repudiation of the health care law, that just doesn't seem to be the case. So while the House successfully passed the "Repealing the Job Killing Health Care Law Act" on Tuesday, it looks like that wasn't what Americans wanted them to do after all.



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In reclaiming the House last November, Republicans framed their victory as a clear mandate from the American people to scrap 'Obamacare.' A cursory scan of the polling data suggests they were right, with some polls pegging support for repeal as high as 60%.
Yet a closer examination of the numbers reveals that the claim is considerably overblown.
The primary problem with polling data on the issue is that surveys tend to oversimplify the debate. Many polls present respondents with just two options: repeal the whole shebang, or do nothing at all. What those polls fail to take into account is the fact that some parts of the law are widely popular, while others are disliked, and still others are unknown or misunderstood.
For example, a CNN poll from December found broad support for the law's main provisions -- except the much maligned individual mandate. Sixty percent of respondents said they opposed the individual mandate, though larger percentages supported the provisions preventing insurers from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions (64%) or dropping coverage for those who become seriously ill (61%.)
All or nothing polls tend to exaggerate support for a full repeal by counting respondents who may only dislike one part of the comprehensive law.
Rasmussen is perhaps the biggest culprit here, as they ask a direct repeal or no repeal question and allow respondents to say only whether they "strongly" or "somewhat" fall to either side. By that measure, Rasmussen pegged support for repeal at 60% in mid December, with just 34% opposing repeal. (Rasmussen has been criticized in the past, notably by Nate Silver, for using methodology that may create biased results.)
When more nuanced wording is used, the picture changes drastically.
As Greg Sargent noted earlier this week, a great example of this is the latest ABC/Washington Post poll, which first asked respondents if they supported or opposed the law, and then asked those who opposed or had no opinion of the law if they favored a full or partial repeal. When the results of that breakdown were factored back into the whole sample, less than one in five (18%) favored a full repeal, while more people (19%) favored a partial repeal.
That poll isn't alone. In fact, two polls have actually found a seemingly counterintuitive result, given the supposed high support for a total repeal.
A recent AP-GFK poll pegged support for the law at 40%, with opposition slightly higher at 41%. But when they asked if respondents would like to expand, trim, or scrap the law, or to leave it as is, a whopping 43% said they'd like to see the law do more to change the health care system. Meanwhile, 26% said they'd want it repealed entirely, and 10% said they'd prefer to see it scaled back. Similarly, when Marist presented respondents with the same options, 35% said they wanted the law to do more, while 30% wanted it repealed entirely.
A quick look at the TPM Poll Average greatly underscores this point. With all polls factored in, support for full repeal trumps opposition, 50% to 43.4%.
[Late Update: Since this post was published Friday morning, new polls have been entered in TPM PollTracker, which has changed the TPM Poll Average. The text of this post hasn't been changed, but the numbers in the graphs below reflect the new polls.]
But when Rasmussen is filtered out, the opposite is true, with opposition to repeal coming out on top 46.5% to 45.5%.
Rasmussen polls the question far more regularly than anyone else, which skews the average toward their finding.
Despite full-throated assertions from some Republicans that the midterm elections were a complete repudiation of the health care law, that just doesn't seem to be the case. So while the House successfully passed the "Repealing the Job Killing Health Care Law Act" on Tuesday, it looks like that wasn't what Americans wanted them to do after all.
  • It's Pat 1 week ago
    So while the House successfully passed the "Repealing the Job Killing Health Care Law Act" on Tuesday, it looks like that wasn't what Americans wanted them to do after all.
    Alert the "liberal" media.
  • ArrivalofGodot 1 week ago
    And if you look to the right of your screen, you'll see that for the past two weeks, Ras has been the ONLY pollster to have Obama with negative approval ratings.

    Ever other poll has a plurality of respondents approving the job Obama's done. Gallup:+9. CBS/NYT:+10. ABC/WaPo:+11. Fox:...+3.

    Rasmussen is systematically biased. And they release a flood of systematically biased polls to dilute any tracking system that includes them.

  • While the author is attempting to be even handed..it would help to be as assertive within the truth as the other side panders and lies! We want our elected officials to counter the lies and distortion with force but we get an article like this milquetoast!

    Ras is never one to not do push polls to reverse engineer the answers the right wing wants but there is power in the numbers of the other polls if pushed with the same vigor !
  • rodney.hayhurst 1 week ago
    If the vote to repeal this week proved anything, it's that the right's battle cry "Will Of The People" was nothing more than a campaign slogan.
  • Cy Guy 1 week ago
    "(Rasmussen has been criticized in the past, notably by Nate Silver, for using methodology that may create biased results.) ... Rasmussen polls the question far more regularly than anyone else, which skews the average toward their finding."

    The same is true for Obama's approval rating and for the Congressional generic ballot but you run those averages on every page of the site without any caveat. Thankfully you do let people exclude pollers if they go to your polling page, but by posting the consolidated average which you know includes flawed data from Rasmussen (currently the difference to the Obama Approval rating is caused just by Rasmussen is 2.3%, and for the generic ballot 4.2%) you give casual readers skewed polling data. This is why I go to Nate Silver's site when I want polling info.

    Ironically, you have made an editorial decision to exclude "Internet polls" when their results (collectively) are much more in line the results of typical traditional polls than Rasmussen's automated poll results are.

  • bronxx13 1 week ago
    I'd like to see a poll that not only askes about the popularity of individual pieces, but also gauges the respondants' willingness to accept more undesirable aspects (i.e. - the mandate) if they enable the more desirable ones. We all know there are aspects of HCR that aren't sustainable without the wider pool theoretically generated by the mandate, so without that pool a lot of good stuff goes away. Just how willing is the public to put up with something they don't like to get something they do?
  • Wait, are you suggesting that polls actually be used to educate? Holy Heisenberg Principle Batman!
  • Mr Turbush, you can quote this skewed poll or cherry pick from that poll and daydream and engage in all the wishful thinking you want but some hard facts still remain which are at odds with your conclusions about the feeling of the American people on this issue. We'll begin with the assumption that the body of the House of representatives, overall and unarguably, have a better understanding of these feeling than you.

    In the midterms, not a single democrat representative ran on the fact they'd voted for government ran health welfare. Far and away, the greater part of the winners vowed repeal. The outcome was a landslide. The repeal passed by a wider margin than passage of the bill. Also, the repeal vote was bi-partisan.

    Harry Reid is scared to death to allow a vote for repeal in the Senate. A vote against repeal would mean certain death for so many of his democrats in the next election. He will most certainly loose control of the Senate over this issue unless he allows a vote AND repeal passes. The MSM has blown its credibility and is helpless now to bail out the cause. No one is watching.

    Elections have consequences. With the exception of wasting time, daydreams don't. The outcome of the last election, combined with economic realities, marks the end of our 80 year march down the road of socialism. Socialism's throat will be cut and it's loathsome blood drained from the body politic in the next ten years. This is not a daydream, it's reality unfolding in real time before your shuttered eyes.
  • "Also, the repeal vote was bi-partisan."

    In your world four Democrats from red states is bi-partisan?

    Also, I don't think you know what socialism is.
  • You're arguing with someone who seems to believe "socialism" is a tyrannical oppressor that deserves to be butchered.

    Clearly, said someone is not mentally stable enough to comprehend rational discourse.
  • The word "socialism" for this guy seems to be used in the context of profanity or an insult and nothing more.
  • Did you even READ the analysis presented in this article? Or is to too far away from black and white for your mind to absorb? You refer to "hard facts," and yet you present no useful facts, no statistics, no citations. I know it's scary sometimes to consider the possibility that you might be wrong, but don't fool yourself.
  • Socialism's throat will be cut and it's loathsome blood drained from the body politic in the next ten years.


    What's with the blood-thirsty rhetoric? This type of unnecessary and negative hyperbole is not representative of any majority in America. You might want to reconsider your position, as it in no way reflects the mindset of rational people.
  • Someone who claims to want to talk about "hard facts" and immediately proceeds to say "we'll begin with the assumption..." values reason less than he thinks!
  • "government ran health welfare"
    "the repeal vote was bi-partisan"
    "certain death "
    "...loose control "
    "our 80 year march down the road of socialism."
    "Socialism's throat will be cut and it's loathsome blood drained from the body politic..."

    Hello Sarah

  • Apparently the only elections that have consequences in your mind are the ones where your candidates win.
    Otherwise you must have been 100 percent behind the president and the democratic landslide in congressional elections in 2008. I seem to recall most of them running on the promise of universal health care. As far as no one running in 2010 using health care reform as a plus, it's impossible to mount a counter campaign against the 500 lb gorilla of lies and misinformation that is Fox "News".
  • If you are totally against socialism then stay off the public streets and highways. I guess we can turn out the lights on your block. Don't call the fire department or the police, they're financed by socialist policies. No more library books for you either (if you do read).
  • And no government-founded Internet either!
  • Indeed! No public education for you or your kids, don't call a cop if you need protection, and for GODSAKE, don't even think about national defense. The Army, et al, defends EVERY member of society, not just those that can afford it. Let's add to the list that he should determine the safety of his own food, determine his own levels of contamination in the water sources and be responsible for his own sewage processing....oh, wait a sec....I see now, he is trying.
  • and th elections of '06 and '08, what did they stand for? Mitch McConnell and his ilk obstructed more in last 4 years than at any time in th history of th Union. do elections only matter when conservatives tip th scales?
  • "bi-partisan" 4 Dems and what color is the sky in your world?
  • ROTFLMAO. Another batshit crazy loon has escaped
  • AnswerFrog 1 week ago
    a vote to "repeal" is effectively a vote to doom people with preexisting conditions.

    Got cancer or diabetes? Lost your job? You're on your own!

    Can't put that cat back in the bag without getting scratched.
  • I love the fact that these looney's forget the whole "with liberty and justice for all" part when they scream about the socialization of any element in our society. You know, that society that allows private business to florish because we have a socialized forum where disputes can be adjudicated equally. The very nature of our legal society, in theory, makes our social equality an even foothold so that every man can be heard without prejudice and achieve the fruits of his/her labour. It's just amazing. I say, go aheahd and man-handle that cat...not to be one to endorse violent rhetoric, I can't help but imagine the ass kicking cat with his claws OUT.
  • Dylan Henrich 1 week ago
    Is there a poll that posed the following questions?:

    Do you support the provisions preventing insurers from denying coverage based on preexisting conditions?

    Do you support the provisions preventing insurers from dropping coverage for those who become seriously ill?

    If given the choice between an individual mandate, a public option, or a single-payer system, in order to have the above two provisions work without major increases in insurance premiums, which would you prefer?

    If none of the above, would you support raising insurance premiums to provide the two provisions mentioned above?
  • Cindy Faulkner 1 week ago
    Mr. Boehner where are the jobs?
  • Diana Saum 1 week ago
    If he could spell OR use spellcheck (which wouldn't have caught all of his errors) I might pay attention. but I prefer a more literate opinion. Thank you.
  • Polls of "Americans" mean nothing, the only poll that means anything is the one taken on election day by people who actually bother to vote. There isn't a politician in the word that cares anything abut what "Americans" think. All they care about is people who actually vote, and at least in 2010, those people are at least 60-40 for repealing the entire bill.
  • I think you like to invent numbers.
  • Yeah I'm just guessing at the 60-40 but looking at the results of the 2010 election and the prominence of many of the GOP winners running on repealing HCR it's at least an educated guess, it seems to me. What's your opinion?
  • Quit pretending you're interested in anyone's opinion but your own. And no, it is not an "educated guess." You're just making stuff up.
    (Edited by author 1 week ago)
  • I am rubber, you are glue, it bounces off me and sticks to you.
  • the point being, if that is the only question asked, then I may well be in favour of total repeal. Only because I know that SINGLE PAYER was the correct resolution to health care in this country. You really just don't get it. Many folks that felt as I do stayed home. It's going to come out in glaring light over the next 18 months, and once again, the polls will indicate what it did in '08. The little adventure in the House last week will fizzle into the news cycle. President Obama ran on Health Care reform, and he won. Game over.
  • Bingo+++
  • Red XIV 1 week ago
    Since you've acknowledge that Rasmussen is systematically biased and deliberately skews the average even further by polling more frequently than everybody else, why do you still include them in your polling average at all?
  • Or at least do what Real Clear Politics does and use only the most recent Rasmussen poll in the average.
  • youcrackpots 1 week ago
    Since when did people vote for Republicans to repeal healthcare reform? It was about jobs, stupid. Obama got beat up for health care reform because he was supposed to be concentrating on jobs. Now the Republicans are ignoring the issue that got them elected (jobs) and concentrating on the wrong thing, (healthcare reform). No wonder Republicans are dropping in the polls and Obama's numbers are going up.
  • youcrackpots 1 week ago
    The polls are worded to give a skewed result. How many polls did we see where like 65% of people didn't like the healthcare reform bill (HRC)? It didn't separate out the people who didn't like it because there was no public option, or didn't like the process but liked what was in it. There is no mandate to repeal - the mandate was to create jobs - period. Stop screwing around with HCR and do what you were elected to do.
  • leftflank 1 week ago
    I don't know, what do Americans think about wars of choice & torture? The majority absolutely disapproves while the rabid minority is all for it.
    The nuclear 18% will always be making the most noise, regardless of the issue.

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